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    • The Dinan BMW piggyback turbo tuning era officially begins - D-Tronics boxes starting at $1999 for the F30 335i, F10 550, and the F10 M5 launched

      This is one of the most interesting tuning developments of recent memory in the BMW tuning scene. The Dinan name is familiar to most BMW enthusiasts but mostly to the casual enthusiasts. Your more hardcore guys tend to be here on BimmerBoost and they also tend to not run any Dinan products. Why? For several reasons (including getting more bang for your buck elsewhere) but let's first delve into when Dinan criticized piggyback boxes.


      Dinan early in the year criticized existing piggyback boxes stating they were poorly calibrated. When BimmerBoost learned Dinan was to release his own piggyback boxes, we questioned whether this made him a hypocrite. Dinan read this criticism and offered a professional response that BimmerBoost and the membership appreciated.

      A lot of BimmerBoost members use piggyback boxes and now Dinan is releasing his although at quite the price point. What this means is that Dinan concedes that he can no longer flash tune the modern BMW cars. That is not solely a Dinan issue it is an issue for the entire BMW aftermarket tuning industry as BMW is locking these ECU's down. Nobody is flashing the F30 335i for example and that is because of the measures BMW has taken to lock everyone out, Dinan included. BMW just is not any fun.

      If you are wondering why turbo upgrades have not come for the N63TU 550 models of the F10 M5 with its S63TU V8 part of the reason is that nobody has a real grasp of the ECU. Alpina can offer turbo upgrades but that is only due to what BMW gives them. The Alpina B7 models for example feature upgraded N63TU turbochargers yet nobody else in the world has a working turbo upgrade kit on the 750i other than Alpina because nobody else in the world has Alpina's relationship with BMW.

      Dinan realizes now that he can just not brute force his way in. Dinan has some very sophisticated computer equipment and some very sophisticated Caltech grads working for him but BMW has a lot more money to throw at the issue of locking people out of their computers. So whatever Dinan or any other tuner has, BMW has that times infinity with how stuffed their coffers are from diluting the lineup. The best engineers in the world work on keeping tuners out of these cars and they are succeeding to a degree they never have before. Throwing computer power at these new ECU's trying to get in just is no longer a viable approach.

      So where does that leave Dinan? Where it leaves everyone else, with a piggyback. What Dinan is claiming though is that his piggyback unit is somehow better and worth the price. Is it? That has yet to be determined. It very well might be but speaking from experience viewing the evolution of devices and many people competing in this sector it is the not the most expensive device that is necessarily the best. A certain someone who used to claim that has been laughed out of the BMW tuning market. Furthermore, many BimmerBoost members tweak their tunes themselves so the base tune and approach used in the box often gets changed extensively. What type of flexibility does the Dinan D-Tronic hardware have? For $2000 it better offer a bunch.

      Dinan claims his unit is the only one that is emissions legal in all 50 states, but it isn't. Read this: The D-TRONICS Performance Tuner was designed and built to be the only tuning box on the market that is emissions legal in all 50 states. At the moment this product is emissions legal in most states – the product is in compliance with US Federal EPA Memorandum 1A, or this product has not been found, nor is believed to be, unlawful for use under the provisions of the Clean Air Act. Currently this product is not legal for sale or use in California, and states that have adopted California emissions standards, on any pollution controlled motor vehicles

      Dinan just ran into the same problem BMS is having with CARB (California Air Resource Board) but what is written by Dinan makes no sense. One sentence says it is emissions legal in 50 states and literally in the same paragraph it states it is not legal for sale or use in California or any states that have adopted California emissions standards. That makes absolutely no logical sense, who wrote this?

      Dinan claims a gain of 64 horsepower on the F30 335i. Ok, where's the dyno? If you are going to try to muscle in on the established piggybacks the owners are used to viewing data. Just using the Dinan name is no longer going to fly. We want to see numbers, we want results, we want the best option that is proven. We do not want people living off past accomplishments. You want the money? Show me what it can do or you will not get it.

      Additionally, since this is a piggyback device that is removable the appeal of the Dinan warranty is not as large as it was with their superchargers, stroker motors, intakes, flashes, etc.

      Dinan has an uphill battle here. Additionally, $2000 is a lot in this market. Not to mention that Dinan takes it up to $3500 for the F10 M5. Charging that price with absolutely no dynographs, no timeslips, no videos, no logs, and absolutely no data is banking on the stupidity of M5 owners. Which, in all honesty, is not even a bad bet if one were to read some of the M5 forums out there and the reverence some of them pay to the Dinan badge and Dinan points. If Dinan wants to claim his box is better, he needs to prove it with something of more substance than because he says so.

      On Bimmerboost the points we are about are the points on a dynograph. This is not going to fly here. Good luck to you Mr. Dinan, you are going to need it.







      The Dinan® Difference

      The biggest benefit of Dinan's D-TRONICS Performance Tuner is our ECU has the…

      "…capability of setting an optimum target lambda (fuel mixture) as well as correcting short term trim which is the difference between target and scheduled fuel mixture. By matching these two correctly we can reduce knock sensor activity which will make smoother performance, protect the catalyst, increase power and allow us to make it emissions legal."- Steve Dinan

      The Dinan® Difference is possible by employing a full staff of talented engineers that are well rounded in all aspects of their job. Manipulating these signals with an adept hand all the while keeping an engine running at its best and with the most reliable power is what Dinan is all about.

      Well Engineered


      Plug-in tuning devices all have one thing in common, they send a modified signal to the factory ECU, telling it the boost pressure is below target values. This then causes the factory ECU to raise the boost pressure to what it thinks is the correct value. This modified boost pressure signal causes errors in fuel mixture and ignition timing. These errors can cause the on-board diagnostics systems to set faults, but they can also cause exceedingly high catalyst temperatures and a loss of power. In addition, when power is increased, exhaust gas temperature will increase as well and this must be countered with a slightly richer air/fuel mixture. The D-TRONICS Performance Tuner uniquely has the capability to adjust target Lambda, correct short term trim as well as ignition timing errors induced by raising boost pressure. This enables Dinan® calibration engineers to optimize air/fuel mixture and ignition timing at elevated boost pressure throughout the entire gamut of engine RPM and engine load. Additionally, the ability to correct short term trim corrections (the difference between target and scheduled fuel mixture) remain within OEM specifications. This minimizes knock sensor activity, which in turn means smooth engine performance, catalyst protection and power increase, while this is also required to make the car emissions legal. Dinan engineers have worked for two years on the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner in efforts to provide BMW enthusiasts with Performance without Sacrifice.


      Unmatched Warranty


      Dinan's comprehensive warranty program, introduced in 1997, provides superior warranty coverage to that which you would find elsewhere. If your vehicle is currently covered by the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty, Dinan® products are warranted for the remaining term of the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty. The manufacturer's new car warranty is limited to 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 kilometers in Canada), commencing on the date of first retail sale or the date the vehicle is first placed in-service as a demonstrator or company vehicle, whichever is earlier. Dinan's warranties are transferable when ownership of the vehicle into which the Dinan® products were originally installed is sold. BMW automobiles can now be performance-tuned without the associated concern of negatively affecting the new car warranty coverage.

      Designed to be Emissions Legal

      The D-TRONICS Performance Tuner was designed and built to be the only tuning box on the market that is emissions legal in all 50 states. At the moment this product is emissions legal in most states – the product is in compliance with US Federal EPA Memorandum 1A, or this product has not been found, nor is believed to be, unlawful for use under the provisions of the Clean Air Act. Currently this product is not legal for sale or use in California, and states that have adopted California emissions standards, on any pollution controlled motor vehicles. We are however in the E.O. process with the ARB and are confident that the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner will be emissions legal in all states in the near future.

      Drivability

      There is more to a tune than just cranking up the boost. Power needs to come on smoothly and in a predictable way to make the car as fun to drive at wide open throttle as cruising around town. It is your BMW, but reborn with new found acceleration and speed.

      Installation

      Plug-and-Play installation in two hours or less at any of the 180+ Dinan® Dealers. While firmware is loaded directly on the ECU the model specific software will need to be downloaded into the ECU by an authorized Dinan dealer after installation. Log on to www.dinancars.com to find your nearest dealer or contact Dinan to make an appointment.


      Easy To Use

      Dinan's ECU is Bluetooth® Smart meaning that you can change maps simply via a Bluetooth connection. Just install and you are done!

      Designed for the Future


      The Dinan® D-TRONICS Performance Tuner was engineered with future expansion of functionality in mind. Boasting the most powerful processing power on the market the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner can handle more functions and processes than any of its contemporaries. To that end the Dinan performance tuner is capable of interfacing with the CAN and FlexRay communication systems which allow for controlling powertrain functions, among others. This means that when new functions are developed there will be no need for a new box, just a short software update at your local Dinan dealer.


      Satisfaction Guaranteed

      Dinan® guarantees you will be impressed by the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner and the performance it provides that we offer a 3-Day return policy. If you aren't satisfied with what the Dinan solution brings to the table within 3 days of install you can go back to your dealer for a full refund (installation labor costs still apply).
      This article was originally published in forum thread: Dinan Officially Introduces Piggyback for F30 N55 - +64HP started by richpike View original post
      Comments 49 Comments
      1. R.G.'s Avatar
        R.G. -
        As well as N54 turbos...
      1. Rodzilla's Avatar
        Rodzilla -
        For only 2k!Click here to enlarge
      1. George Smooth's Avatar
        George Smooth -
        What a bargain. Someone tell them they 6 years late to the game.
      1. govr46's Avatar
        govr46 -
        Didn't they bash piggybacks recently.
        How quickly they changed their mind.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Whores do as whores can
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by govr46 Click here to enlarge
        Didn't they bash piggybacks recently.
        How quickly they changed their mind.
        yep... just shows how much they don't deserve anyone's money.
      1. VargasTurboTech's Avatar
        VargasTurboTech -
        My favorite part is Stage 1 turbos for almost 6 grand, yes $2500 of it is core, but $3000 for stage 1's is funny. Do people actually buy Dinan products for these cars?
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
        My favorite part is Stage 1 turbos for almost 6 grand, yes $2500 of it is core, but $3000 for stage 1's is funny. Do people actually buy Dinan products for these cars?
        Yep, they do have their hardcore followers that swear by Dinan products. Its kinda sad, but then again its not my money they are wasting lol.
      1. rawad1017's Avatar
        rawad1017 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
        My favorite part is Stage 1 turbos for almost 6 grand, yes $2500 of it is core, but $3000 for stage 1's is funny. Do people actually buy Dinan products for these cars?
        it's extremely conservative top quality stuff with an epic warranty, in other words yes sissies buy them
      1. boostedbrisbane's Avatar
        boostedbrisbane -
        so for 2k I can get a dinan piggyback... or with the same 2k I can get a BMS JB4, Intake, DP and Meth kit? hmmm.. thats a hard choice I don't know what to do... decisions decisions....Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        This is one of the most interesting tuning developments of recent memory in the BMW tuning scene. The Dinan name is familiar to most BMW enthusiasts but mostly to the casual enthusiasts. Your more hardcore guys tend to be here on BimmerBoost and they also tend to not run any Dinan products. Why? For several reasons (including getting more bang for your buck elsewhere) but let's first delve into when Dinan criticized piggyback boxes.

        Click here to enlarge

        Dinan early in the year criticized existing piggyback boxes stating they were poorly calibrated. When BimmerBoost learned Dinan was to release his own piggyback boxes, we questioned whether this made him a hypocrite. Dinan read this criticism and offered a professional response that BimmerBoost and the membership appreciated.

        A lot of BimmerBoost members use piggyback boxes and now Dinan is releasing his although at quite the price point. What this means is that Dinan concedes that he can no longer flash tune the modern BMW cars. That is not solely a Dinan issue it is an issue for the entire BMW aftermarket tuning industry as BMW is locking these ECU's down. Nobody is flashing the F30 335i for example and that is because of the measures BMW has taken to lock everyone out, Dinan included. BMW just is not any fun.

        If you are wondering why turbo upgrades have not come for the N63TU 550 models of the F10 M5 with its S63TU V8 part of the reason is that nobody has a real grasp of the ECU. Alpina can offer turbo upgrades but that is only due to what BMW gives them. The Alpina B7 models for example feature upgraded N63TU turbochargers yet nobody else in the world has a working turbo upgrade kit on the 750i other than Alpina because nobody else in the world has Alpina's relationship with BMW.

        Dinan realizes now that he can just not brute force his way in. Dinan has some very sophisticated computer equipment and some very sophisticated Caltech grads working for him but BMW has a lot more money to throw at the issue of locking people out of their computers. So whatever Dinan or any other tuner has, BMW has that times infinity with how stuffed their coffers are from diluting the lineup. The best engineers in the world work on keeping tuners out of these cars and they are succeeding to a degree they never have before. Throwing computer power at these new ECU's trying to get in just is no longer a viable approach.

        So where does that leave Dinan? Where it leaves everyone else, with a piggyback. What Dinan is claiming though is that his piggyback unit is somehow better and worth the price. Is it? That has yet to be determined. It very well might be but speaking from experience viewing the evolution of devices and many people competing in this sector it is the not the most expensive device that is necessarily the best. A certain someone who used to claim that has been laughed out of the BMW tuning market. Furthermore, many BimmerBoost members tweak their tunes themselves so the base tune and approach used in the box often gets changed extensively. What type of flexibility does the Dinan D-Tronic hardware have? For $2000 it better offer a bunch.

        Dinan claims his unit is the only one that is emissions legal in all 50 states, but it isn't. Read this: The D-TRONICS Performance Tuner was designed and built to be the only tuning box on the market that is emissions legal in all 50 states. At the moment this product is emissions legal in most states – the product is in compliance with US Federal EPA Memorandum 1A, or this product has not been found, nor is believed to be, unlawful for use under the provisions of the Clean Air Act. Currently this product is not legal for sale or use in California, and states that have adopted California emissions standards, on any pollution controlled motor vehicles

        Dinan just ran into the same problem BMS is having with CARB (California Air Resource Board) but what is written by Dinan makes no sense. One sentence says it is emissions legal in 50 states and literally in the same paragraph it states it is not legal for sale or use in California or any states that have adopted California emissions standards. That makes absolutely no logical sense, who wrote this?

        Dinan claims a gain of 64 horsepower on the F30 335i. Ok, where's the dyno? If you are going to try to muscle in on the established piggybacks the owners are used to viewing data. Just using the Dinan name is no longer going to fly. We want to see numbers, we want results, we want the best option that is proven. We do not want people living off past accomplishments. You want the money? Show me what it can do or you will not get it.

        Additionally, since this is a piggyback device that is removable the appeal of the Dinan warranty is not as large as it was with their superchargers, stroker motors, intakes, flashes, etc.

        Dinan has an uphill battle here. Additionally, $2000 is a lot in this market. Not to mention that Dinan takes it up to $3500 for the F10 M5. Charging that price with absolutely no dynographs, no timeslips, no videos, no logs, and absolutely no data is banking on the stupidity of M5 owners. Which, in all honesty, is not even a bad bet if one were to read some of the M5 forums out there and the reverence some of them pay to the Dinan badge and Dinan points. If Dinan wants to claim his box is better, he needs to prove it with something of more substance than because he says so.

        On Bimmerboost the points we are about are the points on a dynograph. This is not going to fly here. Good luck to you Mr. Dinan, you are going to need it.

        Click here to enlarge

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        The Dinan® Difference

        The biggest benefit of Dinan's D-TRONICS Performance Tuner is our ECU has the…

        "…capability of setting an optimum target lambda (fuel mixture) as well as correcting short term trim which is the difference between target and scheduled fuel mixture. By matching these two correctly we can reduce knock sensor activity which will make smoother performance, protect the catalyst, increase power and allow us to make it emissions legal."- Steve Dinan

        The Dinan® Difference is possible by employing a full staff of talented engineers that are well rounded in all aspects of their job. Manipulating these signals with an adept hand all the while keeping an engine running at its best and with the most reliable power is what Dinan is all about.

        Well Engineered


        Plug-in tuning devices all have one thing in common, they send a modified signal to the factory ECU, telling it the boost pressure is below target values. This then causes the factory ECU to raise the boost pressure to what it thinks is the correct value. This modified boost pressure signal causes errors in fuel mixture and ignition timing. These errors can cause the on-board diagnostics systems to set faults, but they can also cause exceedingly high catalyst temperatures and a loss of power. In addition, when power is increased, exhaust gas temperature will increase as well and this must be countered with a slightly richer air/fuel mixture. The D-TRONICS Performance Tuner uniquely has the capability to adjust target Lambda, correct short term trim as well as ignition timing errors induced by raising boost pressure. This enables Dinan® calibration engineers to optimize air/fuel mixture and ignition timing at elevated boost pressure throughout the entire gamut of engine RPM and engine load. Additionally, the ability to correct short term trim corrections (the difference between target and scheduled fuel mixture) remain within OEM specifications. This minimizes knock sensor activity, which in turn means smooth engine performance, catalyst protection and power increase, while this is also required to make the car emissions legal. Dinan engineers have worked for two years on the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner in efforts to provide BMW enthusiasts with Performance without Sacrifice.


        Unmatched Warranty


        Dinan's comprehensive warranty program, introduced in 1997, provides superior warranty coverage to that which you would find elsewhere. If your vehicle is currently covered by the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty, Dinan® products are warranted for the remaining term of the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty. The manufacturer's new car warranty is limited to 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 kilometers in Canada), commencing on the date of first retail sale or the date the vehicle is first placed in-service as a demonstrator or company vehicle, whichever is earlier. Dinan's warranties are transferable when ownership of the vehicle into which the Dinan® products were originally installed is sold. BMW automobiles can now be performance-tuned without the associated concern of negatively affecting the new car warranty coverage.

        Designed to be Emissions Legal

        The D-TRONICS Performance Tuner was designed and built to be the only tuning box on the market that is emissions legal in all 50 states. At the moment this product is emissions legal in most states – the product is in compliance with US Federal EPA Memorandum 1A, or this product has not been found, nor is believed to be, unlawful for use under the provisions of the Clean Air Act. Currently this product is not legal for sale or use in California, and states that have adopted California emissions standards, on any pollution controlled motor vehicles. We are however in the E.O. process with the ARB and are confident that the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner will be emissions legal in all states in the near future.

        Drivability

        There is more to a tune than just cranking up the boost. Power needs to come on smoothly and in a predictable way to make the car as fun to drive at wide open throttle as cruising around town. It is your BMW, but reborn with new found acceleration and speed.

        Installation

        Plug-and-Play installation in two hours or less at any of the 180+ Dinan® Dealers. While firmware is loaded directly on the ECU the model specific software will need to be downloaded into the ECU by an authorized Dinan dealer after installation. Log on to www.dinancars.com to find your nearest dealer or contact Dinan to make an appointment.


        Easy To Use

        Dinan's ECU is Bluetooth® Smart meaning that you can change maps simply via a Bluetooth connection. Just install and you are done!

        Designed for the Future


        The Dinan® D-TRONICS Performance Tuner was engineered with future expansion of functionality in mind. Boasting the most powerful processing power on the market the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner can handle more functions and processes than any of its contemporaries. To that end the Dinan performance tuner is capable of interfacing with the CAN and FlexRay communication systems which allow for controlling powertrain functions, among others. This means that when new functions are developed there will be no need for a new box, just a short software update at your local Dinan dealer.


        Satisfaction Guaranteed

        Dinan® guarantees you will be impressed by the D-TRONICS Performance Tuner and the performance it provides that we offer a 3-Day return policy. If you aren't satisfied with what the Dinan solution brings to the table within 3 days of install you can go back to your dealer for a full refund (installation labor costs still apply).
      1. spool twice's Avatar
        spool twice -
        I think the wording is "legally" accurate. D-tronic "was" designed to be 50-state emissions legal, instead of D-tronic "is" designed to be 50-state emissions legal. Also, the name is lame, anything with a "tronic" naming scheme I normally associate with Benz..distronic?...parktronic?

        Will I buy this? no, Will this be the best performing product? no. Will this have a following? yes, sadly.

        He keeps referring to "current piggybacks on the market" as not being a complete product. What does he mean? Did he take a piggy-back system from the early 2000's to compare to his system? His system does everything Procede & BMS can do, manipulate boost, throttle, A/F, ignition curve, etc ect...The one thing that I see Dinan NOT offering according to the press release is they do not mention any "fail-safes" via boost reduction back to stock levels if there are catastrophic issues. It appears as though it relies on the factory knock sensor to dial back ignition timing from the D-tronic base curve.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
        I think the wording is "legally" accurate. D-tronic "was" designed to be 50-state emissions legal, instead of D-tronic "is" designed to be 50-state emissions legal. Also, the name is lame, anything with a "tronic" naming scheme I normally associate with Benz..distronic?...parktronic?

        Will I buy this? no, Will this be the best performing product? no. Will this have a following? yes, sadly.
        I see where you are going with it but how do you design a box to be legal in all 50 states, specifically mentioning all 50 states, then a second later you mention the states it is not legal in? Why even try to confuse like that other than to attempt to convince/confuse the consumer it conforms with emissions laws in 50 states?

        The wording is technically sound with 'designed and built to be the only tuning box on the market that is emissions legal in all 50 states' but the overall paragraph is not logically coherent and falls apart after that. It goes from implying design for 50 state legality to not legal in 50 states in a hurry. By default then it does not have a 50 state legal design.

        It just doesn't make sense to me. How do you design something for 50 state legality but then you support the statement by stating it isn't?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
        He keeps referring to "current piggybacks on the market" as not being a complete product. What does he mean? Did he take a piggy-back system from the early 2000's to compare to his system? His system does everything Procede & BMS can do, manipulate boost, throttle, A/F, ignition curve, etc ect...The one thing that I see Dinan NOT offering according to the press release is they do not mention any "fail-safes" via boost reduction back to stock levels if there are catastrophic issues. It appears as though it relies on the factory knock sensor to dial back ignition timing from the D-tronic base curve.
        I'm not sure where many of these statements come from. He also states it has the most powerful processor on the market. So he's opened up every other box or what? It sure doesn't feel like it.

        This comes off feeling like he is brand new to this. Well, with the new BMW turbo cars and piggybacks, he is.
      1. mjmarovi's Avatar
        mjmarovi -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
        My favorite part is Stage 1 turbos for almost 6 grand, yes $2500 of it is core, but $3000 for stage 1's is funny. Do people actually buy Dinan products for these cars?
        Sadly, yes. When I had just downpipes, intake, and a Cobb AP I was already pushing more power than a friend who had already had and sold a FBO Dinan 335i. Yes, he actually spent the money on the exhaust, intake, intercooler, and whatever the tuning was, $2500 or something stupid like that. All for 380hp, no, not whp, but 380hp. I tried reasoning with him, but he just didn't understand...it was a waste of time. He drove my car though and was impressed, said his Dinan car felt the same yet seemed afraid to even go WOT on my car...so...
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        STICKY im stupid here DINAN went on record to say PIGGYBACKS were a no no! Now hypocrisy ensues and VIOLA we have a NEW item and BTW its a piggyback, WTF Diana oops DINAN!! you just happened to $#@! on yourself. Boy Im glad I never went that DINAN route I'll stick to my RENNtech buddies. Next vehicle might be an ALPINA for me!! No BS with them!!
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Has anyone seen any independent data (acceleration numbers, dyno comparisons, etc) regarding G-Power's F10 M5 tune??

        Attachment 38788

        It's not 100% clear, but it says ECU software so possible that it's a flash tune?
      1. 135pats's Avatar
        135pats -
        A little OT but sometimes I genuinely think F10 M5 owners actively seek to waste their money. I've never seen a group of consumers with more willingness to dump ridiculous sums into unproven and/or rudimentary tuning solutions.

        Anyways....GL to DINAN, as Stick noted they'll need it. I do love the DINAN strut bar for the E8x though.
      1. eric84405's Avatar
        eric84405 -
        I think Dinan will actually reel in a few uninformed buyers with their $2k piggy simply because of name recognition. If they weren't so greedy as to charge more than 4x their competition, they would probably have more market share.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by eric84405 Click here to enlarge
        I think Dinan will actually reel in a few uninformed buyers with their $2k piggy simply because of name recognition.
        I think they are banking on this. Hence the claims of 'superiority' on paper.