those numbers matter even less without a baseline.

Originally Posted by crapinternet

those numbers matter even less without a baseline.

It was omitted intentionally.

I’m still baffled by your repeated attacks on PTF. Most of them are nonsense.

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

I’m still baffled by your repeated attacks on PTF. Most of them are nonsense.

What attack? And what nonsense?

What do you disagree with here?

Originally Posted by Sticky

What attack? And what nonsense?

What do you disagree with here?

It's the snowflake decade. Not praising or agreeing with something = attacking.

I would love to see logs. That is the best indicator of whether or not the tune is safe (for current weather & altitude, anyway). Otherwise, it is all just speculation. As far as performance, I agree the track is king!

Also, Sticky, did you just throw down a $5,000 challenge to PTF and AMS for the best E.T. & trap at a track meet-up?

Waste of time...

Corvette C8 > mk5 Supra

Originally Posted by Stevenh

It's the snowflake decade. Not praising or agreeing with something = attacking.

$#@! please. Go look at every post @Sticky made propping up PTF until they stopped being a vendor here. All of a sudden he starts releasing article after article claiming PTF is trash.
@Sticky, like many have stated, its insavory to blame a tuning platform for the quality of tuners using it. PTF provides capabilities, you pick your tuner.

If other tuning companies want to charge a premium to curate their tuners, so have it, but i dont see it as a requirement. People that are lazy and dont know $#@! about cars can continue to throw their money at people like Cobb. I'll glady choose a platform that allows me to either tune myself, or choose who i want to tune the car.

Seems the problem is no one who can afford these platforms actually knows anything about tuning/the cars they are driving...

Dzenno rose from the ranks of this very forum. Hard to believe people cant see what a great platform he made and support him for it.

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

All of a sudden he starts releasing article after article claiming PTF is trash.

Not true. I posted valid questions about their screening process after an engine blew. You act like I went and made the guy have his engine throw up its internals on the ground after he switches to what was a very early PTF OTS revision.

You want me to what, look the other way? Seriously?

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

PTF provides capabilities, you pick your tuner.

IT WAS A PTF OTS TUNE.

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

If other tuning companies want to charge a premium to curate their tuners, so have it, but i dont see it as a requirement. People that are lazy and dont know $#@! about cars can continue to throw their money at people like Cobb. I'll glady choose a platform that allows me to either tune myself, or choose who i want to tune the car.

I'm not saying it is a requirement but it is perfectly fair to point out some outfits are more professional than others in how they go about business.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Not true. I posted valid questions about their screening process after an engine blew. You act like I went and made the guy have his engine throw up its internals on the ground after he switches to what was a very early PTF OTS revision.

Every tuner has blown a motor, either through their own fault or some other means. Alot of idiots out there not taking care of their vehicles that want to dump the blame on the tuner.

Alot of people running ethanol on non ethanol rated injectors, but no one wants to point that out. Alot of reasons a motor lets go; to blindly blame the tune is intellectually lazy.

Originally Posted by Sticky

I'm not saying it is a requirement but it is perfectly fair to point out some outfits are more professional than others in how they go about business.

Should i start writing blog posts about how $#@!ty your forum is since it doesnt have a proper mobile app?

I really think you're being overly criticla for no good reason.

If you decided to write an article pointing out the value of other tuning platforms that curated their tuners vs those who didnt, i could see that as beneficial to the community. You're just throwing stones while living in a glass house at this point. When i look around this place I see alot of dust on the shelves and cobwebs in the corners...

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

Every tuner has blown a motor, either through their own fault or some other means. Alot of idiots out there not taking care of their vehicles that want to dump the blame on the tuner.

Do I not always point this out?

That doesn't absolve bad tuning though.

It's like you robbing someone and saying, hey, it happens to everyone.

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

Alot of people running ethanol on non ethanol rated injectors, but no one wants to point that out. Alot of reasons a motor lets go; to blindly blame the tune is intellectually lazy.

Ok but that isn't what the owner said happened.

This is what he said happened:

So this is how it started I was doing a pull down the road using my new bm3 stage 2 tune I have an

I started the pull at 50 mph and went to about 5500rpm before seeing a huge cloud of smoke out the back and what sounded like dropping a bunch of nuts and bolts on the floor

That isn't the only PTF failure by the way where the OTS tune is a major factor.

You seem to be going out of your way to defend engine failures, why? Shouldn't you be going out of your way to demand higher standard OTS tune testing?

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

Should i start writing blog posts about how $#@!ty your forum is since it doesnt have a proper mobile app?

How does that make for $#@!ty content? What mobile device are you browsing on that doesn't work? My Ipad and Iphone both load the forum just fine.

I am all for an app but I don't have a developer that can do it and it also costs money. Is it worth the investment? You tell me.

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

I really think you're being overly criticla for no good reason.

I disagree.

Here is what Mission Performance says regarding the B58:

Unfortunately, there is much more power left to be had Safely since turbo is a limiting factor. Fuel pressures are steady, but after 6k we are leaving turbo’s ability to flow.

They hit ~435 tune only which is where most tuners leave it. Notice the 'safely' part?

Now, would you like to dispute their reasoning and if so ok let's have a discussion on where the B58 can be tuned to safely. Reducing safety margin for peak HP and hoping for the best is not a good tuning practice IMO.

Originally Posted by lulz_m3

You're just throwing stones while living in a glass house at this point. When i look around this place I see alot of dust on the shelves and cobwebs in the corners...

Where are you looking? There are currently 1109 users online. 42 members and 1067 guests

Also, you're the one throwing stones and not stating what you would like to see beyond a mobile app.

Hey, when you build a forum that generates six figures, maybe then you actually can throw stones?

Didnt a Bootmod Supra just run 10s?

Originally Posted by Tony@VargasTurboTech

Of course they did, this click bait post is abusurd, and outline Joe's ongoing beef with Dzenno. Not only did they run a 10's they have run mulitple 10 second passes and not only hold the dyno record, they hold the 1/4 mile record as well. These kinds of posts are why fewer, and fewer people hang out here...

Who said the software would wouldn't let you run X time in the 1/4 mile?

The point I made regarding some tuners pushing lowering the safety margin for a record on the dyno stands.

This is also what you said Sticky. I'm neutral here, just saying:

Originally Posted by Sticky

AMS took their car off the dyno and proved their tune in the real world on the dragstrip setting the Supra 1/4 mile record. That is very different from increasing timing on ethanol to eek out some more horses to claim a record for marketing purposes.

Originally Posted by M&M

This is also what you said Sticky. I'm neutral here, just saying:

Absolutely. All the credit in the world but they didn't run 10's on this tune highlighted in the article.

Originally Posted by M&M

This is also what you said Sticky. I'm neutral here, just saying:

It was TPG Tuning that hit that 10, not PTF.

Originally Posted by Tony@VargasTurboTech

Of course they did, this click bait post is abusurd, and outline Joe's ongoing beef with Dzenno. Not only did they run a 10's they have run mulitple 10 second passes and not only hold the dyno record, they hold the 1/4 mile record as well. These kinds of posts are why fewer, and fewer people hang out here...

This is why you don't run your mouth.

This tune did not run 10's and was not run at the track.

The car that ran 10's had a cat delete, removed rear section, and nitrous: https://www.boostaddict.com/content....d-now-10-7-128

Originally Posted by Sticky

Absolutely. All the credit in the world but they didn't run 10's on this tune highlighted in the article.

My bad!